Joe Grimm's News Jobs Café: Ask the recruiter

Leave Without Two-Week Notice?

Q: I recently graduated college and have been interning at a large metro in the meantime while I look for jobs. I went to a job interview in another state for a couple of days and told my editors and the internship recruiter that I was doing so.

When I returned from the job interview, I told my editor that if I am offered the job then I might have to start immediately and leave within a week (that was a week ago). Yesterday I was offered the job. I accepted and told my internship coordinator and editor that I would have to leave after the end of this week.

They both congratulated me and said that it would be fine. However, at the end of the day the internship recruiter called me into the office and said that I should put in a two weeks notice because I am putting them in a bind if I leave after this week.

I honestly understand the need for a two-week notice, but if I wait for two weeks then I might not be able to do the job (they need someone to start immediately because of beat changes).  Also, for financial reasons, a job is the best logical step for me to take right now. The internship is supposed to last another month and a half. Also, I'm really not getting much work to do here; the editor is struggling to find stories for me to do. Some people have told me that I need to do what is best financially and what is best for my career.. and also what will make me the happiest.  If I do what is best financially, career-wise and for emotional happiness - all answers are leaning toward leaving at the end of the week for the job.

What would you advise me to do? I completely understand the professional two-week notice, but if I'm not working on many stories anyway and it seems more of a trouble for the editor to find something for me to do, and if I'm stuck eating Ramen noodles all day, then wouldn't a job seem logical? Shouldn't the internship recruiter be happy that I am going to take a job?

Thanks,

Betwixt and Between

A: You are in a mild bind that does not appear to be of your own making.

As you describe things, you first told the editor you might have to leave suddenly, and there was no objection. You then told two editors you would be leaving right away and there was no objection. By the time the internship recruiter told you that a two-week notice would be better, you had already committed to the new paper.

I would meet with the recruiting editor and explain that you understand a two-week notice is standard, but that you had asked for some leeway and met no objection -- until later.

I should think that your present editors do want to see you succeed and that you want to maintain good relations with them. Limit your discussion to this sequence of events. Telling them that they have you on Ramen wages or that they can't keep you busy enough will not help your cause and could ultimately turn a graceful departure into an ugly one.

Hang your whole story on the change in signals, be gracious and go to that new job.

How to Spin a Career Change?

Q: I have been in the newspaper industry for just under 10 years and have always believed in the media and believed it would perform well for several more generations.  Over the last year I have watched as that passion has dwindled and my faith that we will still be around in 10 more years.

I could go into details as to why but I will spare everyone that debate.  My question is this; I obviously need to look at a career change as I my passion is gone, how would you suggest I "spin" this career change?  I am afraid if I cite my true reason many will ask the obvious question will I lose passion in this as well.

Thanks

Ed

A: You clearly realize you can't get a new job if you seem mopey.

So, figure out what you'd like to be doing down the road and think of the interim jobs between what you're doing now and where you'd like to wind up.

This takes work. You will have to go to school on yourself and on a range of possible jobs. I have just finished reading a book that could help. It is called "Breaking the Bamboo Ceiling" by career coach Jane Hyun. We met and interviewed this past week. Her book is obviously written for Asian-American people, but it has  solid advice for anyone and a nice set of career-assessment tools that could help you.

When you go interviewing, we want you focused on what you are climbing for, not complaining about what you have been through. If you are building toward a new career, there should be no need to spin anything.

Rough Crossing for Foreign Journalist?

Q: I read your column every day and I think you give excellent advice, so I'm hoping you can help me with my situation.

I'm a British journalist engaged to a New Yorker. We plan to get married as soon as my visa comes through, which our attorney says is likely to take between three and nine months. I'm excited about my wedding and the opportunities the move may present for my career but I'm a little worried about whether U.S. editors will recognize my qualifications, the variation in writing styles between English and American newspapers and how I will cope without a sound knowledge of media law and the political system in my new country.

Your column and the U.S. job adverts I've read give me the impression that the preferred route onto a newspaper there is via a journalism degree. I have a degree, but not in journalism, which doesn't matter much here. U.K. editors prefer that candidates take an intensive six-month journalism course after they graduate, which trains them in law, politics, news writing and shorthand (useful as audio recording devices are not allowed in our courts). Then, after 18 months to two years on the job, trainee reporters take a final set of exams known as the NCE. Those who pass are considered qualified senior reporters.

This is the stage I am at now. I have just passed the finals, have about two years' experience and have produced some strong clips, which have won me a couple of awards. For the last six months or so, I have been reading several U.S. papers on the internet each day and have totally fallen in love with the idea of working for a well-respected alternative weekly with a circulation of 260,000. This would be a step up for me as it is my larger than the paper I currently work for but what really appeals to me is its strong reputation for investigative journalism, which is my passion. A few days ago, I found out the editor is advertising for staff reporters. I feel I can't let this opportunity pass me by, but how can I apply when I can't be specific about when I can start?

My second dilemma concerns how to present my credentials to U.S. editors. I'm assuming that they will have little or no knowledge of our training system. Should I provide some explanation of it on my resume or save this for the interview?

Thirdly, the tabloid writing style on my paper here is very different to the more narrative, in-depth coverage of the paper I want to work for. I'm worried this will put me at a disadvantage. While I have been trying to expand my understanding of U.S. politics and intend to take classes in media law once I arrive, I am also concerned that my lack of knowledge in these areas could be hazardous during my first couple of months there.

My resume looks pretty good on this side of the pond but I’m worried that my hard work may get lost in translation. I’m prepared to do whatever it takes to overcome the quite considerable obstacles this move will present and would very much appreciate your advice on the best way to go about it.

A: First off, let's not try to apply for this immediate opening. Your situation is too complicated in the short term for you to be of any interest. More openings will come along. You may find, once yo gethere and talk to your target paper, that you will need to get into another publication that they hire from. It could be that your experience just isn't yet what they desire.

You seem to have a good understanding of your obstacles. Moving to the highly competitive New York market is another.

I am not sure that you need to go back to school to, in effect, get recertified under U.S. instructors. You do need to study up on media law here and taking a class or two or three is a good idea. You also need to make sure that everything you write -- including every letter and e-mail -- is in a style that will be acceptable to editors in the States. Maybe you should recruit an American to give those a once-over, at least initially.

It could be that no American newspaper will get really interested in you until the visa issue is settled. Then, your experience should carry you. You may have to concisely explain on your resume the training you received, but the fact is that journalists do get hired here without journalism degrees and sometimes without having completed any degree at all.

Keep positioning yourself, expand your search options and plan a great wedding. 

Why Did Recruiter Lose Interest?

Q: I and my journalist friends are often puzzled by the behavior of editors -- generally, of course -- but in this case, specifically during the courtship phase of the hiring process.

Why is it that encouraging, flattering talks with editors and recruiters that start off so well can suddenly come to a dead halt? E-mails are left unanswered; phone calls unreturned. Weeks and months go by in total silence. Are they just not that into us? What happened?

Sincerely,

Lonely on Metro

A: Ah, the fickleness of it all!

Although it may not seem so, this is a two-part question. The first part has to do with how does one go from hot to not. The second part is all about why doesn't anyone tell me?

Many behind-the-scenes circumstances can cool off what had appeared to be a hot opening.

A hiring freeze, for example, can chill things off.

The application of a seemingly better candidate can, too.

Sometimes we see an internal candidate, applying late, snatch away the opening.

And there can be a botched handoff where one person starts the process and then hands it to another who is not so attentive.

We can give a hundred other reasons, but they all lead to one question: So why don't the editors simply pick up the phone?

Again, there is another multitude of possibilities.

Although you might doubt this, editors don't like to deliver bad news any more than normal people do. So, we drag our feet.

Sometimes, the situation gets bogged down -- say, with the appearance of additional candidates -- and we wait for things to play out. The first candidate to be considered for a job will have to wait a lot longer than the last one considered for their answer.

Of course, there are instances where editors are just inconsiderate and don't think or care about how much this means to the candidate. One person told me, "I interviewed with them and never heard from them again. I gues I didn't get the job."

So that's what happens. What can you do about it? The calls and e-mails -- to more than one person -- should shake loose an answer. But you're left wondering and worrying about how often to call.

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Time to Quit My Job?

Q: My editor is a real fascist. She micro-manages everything I do. She never admits when she's wrong or when she makes mistakes. Rather, she places the blame on other people.

Working with her has become the worst. The other day, she handed me a story assignment at 4 p.m. She'd been sitting on it all day and wait to the last minute to give it to me. When I showed obvious signs of dissatisfaction, she told our top editor that I don't like to work hard.

Speaking to the woman is like speaking to a brick wall. She never listens or considers intelligent suggestions. My biggest annoyance is that she edits my writing so that it fits her style. That doesn't seem right. If she doesn't like the way I writer, why did she hire me?

Once, she sat down and had a one-on-one meeting with me. She said I shouldn't complain about working 10-hour days. She looked at my time sheet and said, "You haven't even been working that much over time. I see you only worked nine hours OT last week."

I wanted to pull my hair out and scream.

As you can see, I'm all over the place with this letter. I guess my question is: When is enough enough. At what point do I declare mutiny and rebel, quit, walk out or get fired?

Edward

A: Once upon a time, I was unhappy (though not as unhappy as you are) with the way some things were going for me and Becky Baybrook, then on the human resources team with Knight Ridder, told me that when things get bad, we have three choices:

• Change the situation
• Get used to it
• Get out.

I though the advice was a little harsh, but it works.

It sounds as though your situation is not going to change. Mutinies are good for fantasies, but they almost never work. The top boss clearly listens more to your editor than to you. So, changing the situation is not an option.

Anyone who calls his editor a fascist and who is thinking about pulling hair -- his own or the editor's -- is not going to get used to the situation.

You're at Option Three: Time to go.

Be in charge of that process. Get your resume and work samples together, get them out and start interviewing.

Leave on your own terms and your own timing. Try not to get fired. It doesn't sound as though there would be much severence for you, and that will raise questions when you interview.

When you walk out the door, don't slam it. Remember, this is not a situation you can change -- that is why you're leaving -- so hurling a few insults back over your shoulder won't change anything. It might make you feel better, but they will fall on deaf ears. It's not worth your effort. Just find a good job and move onto it without investing any more emotion in the one you'll be leaving.

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